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RadioDJ v2 => Future Requests => Topic started by: andreslindo on February 15, 2018, 03:16:30 PM

Title: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: andreslindo on February 15, 2018, 03:16:30 PM
According to my experience with other Radio Automation Sofware, it's much easier to manage the rotation having one single song in multiple subcategories, instead of duplicate files in our library or inventing more workarounds for this.

I mean, we can use a single song for 3 different rotations, ex:

SubCategory High Rotation -> To use it for a top 40 rotation
SubCategory Weekend -> High energy to play during the weekend
SubCategory Night Songs -> To include the song on the nightly rotation

Recently I worked with Jazler which supports up to 2 subcategories, and the experience is so good.

If RadioDJ includes this feature I'd love it.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: wolfradioau on April 22, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
Definitely need multiple categories!

I play a party mix playlist every Friday night but it's so tiring having to update the playlist. It would be good if I could have a song in my 'high rotation' sub-cat as well as the 'party mix' sub-cat.

Other than uploading duplicate files what are some work arounds?
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Tjoe70s on July 22, 2018, 04:07:13 AM
So I can't have the same song (file) in multiple categories?
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: PROducer on July 26, 2018, 03:35:53 AM
So I can't have the same song (file) in multiple categories?
No, you would need to make a copy of the file (I think it would need a different filename as well) for each instance.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: andreslindo on September 03, 2018, 10:25:39 PM
Hello Marius, I'd like to know if you have considered to include this feature in a future release.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: PROducer on September 04, 2018, 07:00:41 PM
I really don't see why people think they need the same song in multiple categories.  As Stinga said, multiple instances of the same song creates issues with play count, etc.

What should be done is re-think the categories so they can do what is wanted without duplilcates.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: djunder on September 08, 2018, 06:04:30 PM
Hello

Yes as someone says, re-think the categories so they can do what is wanted without duplilcates the file.
The Categories and sub-categories (expeciality the sub-categories) must be increment by the user, as he like, for each song ou group of songs.

Need this one for sure.
Thanks
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: PROducer on September 09, 2018, 04:51:04 PM
What should be done is re-think the categories so they can do what is wanted without duplilcates.
What I meant by this statement is the end user, not Marius needs to do better planning with categories.  There really should be no reason to have a song in multiple categories.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Argo82 on August 22, 2019, 12:23:29 PM
+1

I'd like to see this feature happen, unless someone could explain an easier way to to this.

I don't know if RadioDJ is intended to be used like this, however some of our hosts create specific playlists, while others set rotations for automated shows. My understanding currently is if a host wants to setup a particular rotation for a show they would have to make a separate copy of each song that they wanted in the rotation and assign sub categories to it (for example: John Smith's Morning Melodies - High Rotation, Oldies, Low Rotation, Other). If another host wants a different rotation, or the same host has multiple shows with the same songs, they would have to make yet another copy of the file that they want part of the show. Is this correct? We have tried making large playlists, however they became too large to open. Would an M3U playlist work better instead of the default RadioDJ playlist format?

Is there a better solution for this? If not, I can see a real benefit to allowing multiple sub categories for a particular song.

Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: mitchrapp on November 10, 2019, 01:14:31 PM
People think in different ways, and what works for you may not for another.  For me, it is so obvious to allow songs with multiple tags/genre/categories.  With a search filter to drill down, it can make on the fly song changes so much easier.   As a live presenter,  the mood and interest of the guests can require a playlist change.  3 or 4 guests might be for example talking about  Girl Rockers.    So I might play next 3 songs from girl rockers.  But if you rely on memory then you will be repetitive. Since I can't use multiple tags/genres,  I add "Girl Rocker" in the Album field.  Thus every new Rock track that has a girl rocker lead or band, I add "girl rocker".   Same goes for Rock Party starters, or pop party starter, Fun upbeat mood tags, and multiple other tags(identifiers) that help you to quickly use your song DB to create a stylized flow not just a bunch of random music.   The need to have main genre with sub genre so you can search both, is a must have, great for on the fly, and for playlist building.  Right now I have to use multiple lists & notes, or rely on online sources.  I can tell you for a fact that writers are not necessarily great playlist builders, their definition of what a rock songs might be can be so different than yours, thus complicating using outside sources.


I really don't see why people think they need the same song in multiple categories.  As Stinga said, multiple instances of the same song creates issues with play count, etc.

What should be done is re-think the categories so they can do what is wanted without duplilcates.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Chip Douglas Mosley on November 10, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
I have several songs that would fit in multiple categories. For instance, for Veteran's Day, I want to be able to play patriotic songs that are also in another category for regular rotation (example: America by Neil Diamond in both 70s Music and Patriotic).

For a specific category for Halloween that also has songs that play in a years category (example: Frankenstein by Edgar Winters Group in both 70s Music and Halloween).

I now have duplicate copies of these songs set up in separate cateories. How would I set it up to use one copy for both categories?

TIA!
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Jhonny on November 10, 2019, 03:49:24 PM
You can use special playlist. :angel:
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Chip Douglas Mosley on November 10, 2019, 11:16:38 PM
Jhonny, how do I do that? (Forgive me, I can be a little slow at times.)
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Jhonny on November 11, 2019, 10:21:48 AM
You can make a m3u playlist from the folder where the special file are in and import it in the playlist maker.
or you can make a rotation with the use of a query like
first 2  standard tracks.
1 special track.
query code
haloween subcat number 47.
Code: [Select]
select  id from songs where $ForceRepeatRules$ and  enabled = 1 and song_type= 0 and id_subcat= 47 limit 1;
The rotation will look like.
(https://radiodj.info/zend/chip-rotaton.png)
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Chip Douglas Mosley on November 11, 2019, 03:17:56 PM
Thank you Jhonny! I'm setting up my Christmas music now so this will be a great help to me! :ok:
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Jhonny on November 11, 2019, 07:51:31 PM
Em using it for Christmas to.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: Brodephat on November 13, 2019, 02:54:28 AM
I use the genre to pull songs from another category.

Example: I have a sub-cat called Gospel Quartet however there are songs in my National Hits sub-cat that are gospel quartet songs too.

So in my Gospel Quartet Rotation is a line that pulls songs from the National Hits sub-cat but only if the song genre is set to Gospel Quartet.

This works well for some of my situations but not all of them.

I think once the Mood option is active in the Rotation filter selection it will add another element to the selection process.

(http://realpeopletalkradio.com/pictures/MultipleCategoryRDJ.png)
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: PresidentOfACPJ on November 21, 2019, 10:30:11 PM
+1

I'd like to see this feature happen, unless someone could explain an easier way to to this.

I don't know if RadioDJ is intended to be used like this, however some of our hosts create specific playlists, while others set rotations for automated shows. My understanding currently is if a host wants to setup a particular rotation for a show they would have to make a separate copy of each song that they wanted in the rotation and assign sub categories to it (for example: John Smith's Morning Melodies - High Rotation, Oldies, Low Rotation, Other). If another host wants a different rotation, or the same host has multiple shows with the same songs, they would have to make yet another copy of the file that they want part of the show. Is this correct? We have tried making large playlists, however they became too large to open. Would an M3U playlist work better instead of the default RadioDJ playlist format?

Is there a better solution for this? If not, I can see a real benefit to allowing multiple sub categories for a particular song.

Why dont the just insert in this new subcategory the songs they need to be there?
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: PresidentOfACPJ on November 21, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
So I can't have the same song (file) in multiple categories?

Yes, you just have to insert the specifc song in that subcategory.

Maybe you guys should try to create and build your own system of subcategories and genres, i use genres to specify type of subcategories...


Here an example of how i built it...

(https://snipboard.io/2u4I1q.jpg)

(https://snipboard.io/Ws2V4c.jpg)


You have a song called "Toto - Africa" in subcategory "oldies", you want to have "Toto - Africa" in a subcategory called "Rock Ballads", you already have "Toto  - Africa" in "Oldies", you just have to insert "Toto - Africa" into "Rock Ballads" subcategory too.
Title: Re: Multiple SubCategory fro One Song
Post by: jljubich on December 27, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
You can use special playlist. :angel:

Playlists are not categories / subcategories. They are difficult to maintain. Categories / subcategories should be based on drag and drop features. Song attributes should dynamically change when copying / moving songs among categories / subcategories.

Example of song categories / subcategories might be:

Artist region / country
Artist gender
Radio format (AC, Rhythmic, Top 40, etc.)
Release format (Box set, DJ Mix, EP, Mix tape, single, etc.)
Release edition (International, Remastered, Special, Tour, UK, Unplugged, US, etc.)
Song genre / style
Song language
Song version (acoustic, cover, instrumental, medley, live, remix, etc.)
Song tags (film, reissued, remastered, etc.)

Besides, categories should include every songs in their corresponding subcategories; so, you can simply pick a general Rock song or a more specific Indie Rock song or an artist from North America or any from Canada or from the United States, etc.

Categories and Sub categories might be dynamically generated; for example, based on determined artists, BPM ranges, genres, languages, regions / countries, etc. For example:

Artist radio
 - Madonna's Radio
 - Phil Collins' Radio

Playlist are not categories / subcategories without doubts.