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RadioDJ v1.7+ => v1.7+ - Support Forum => Topic started by: Marius on November 18, 2014, 01:04:26 PM

Title: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Marius on November 18, 2014, 01:04:26 PM
This question pops almost every week in a topic, so i think that is better to have a sticky topic with the answer.

In RadioDJ options you can set a sound card input which can be muted/unmuted using the button from the program's main user interface. However this is not intended for microphone usage, because the input is routed thru the audio processing plugin, which will add some delay that is not appropriate for live talking. The delay amount is tightly related to your sound card and computer processing power. The input feature was requested by users which needed to rebroadcast from external sources (eg. satellite) and it was implemented with that in mind.

RadioDJ doesn't support microphones plugged directly into the soundcard, because any software processing will add delay and thus, a professional result cannot obtained in that way.
Instead, even with a cheap hardware mixer the results are far much better. [See how to use it here] (http://www.radiodj.ro/tutorials/how-to-use-a-mixer-with-radiodj.html).

As a note, if an external mixer is used, you will need to change your encoder to use the sound card LINE IN as a source. For this can be used also the A******t STANDALONE (http://www.some encoder.com/).
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: AndyDeGroo on November 18, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
Yes! Finally a good description about the issue from Marius himself. I should bookmark this topic for quick access.

IMO, RadioDJ should display a message box describing that it should not be used for voice broadcasting when user selects mic as input in sound card options for the first time. Although, I'm not sure if it is possible to detect that the input is a microphone apart from its name.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: cannibal radio on December 10, 2014, 11:32:46 AM
I hope Im not "muddying" the waters here but if you really are serious about broadcasting then most likely you will have a "pro-sumer" USB/Firewire audio interface. These come with an option of "zero latency" monitoring via a headphone jack which can be set to output the microphone input DIRECTLY.

In simple words, one can use a microphone input TO RadioDJ - his/her voice WILL be streamed with some minor delay (5-15 mseconds, this is relative to the audio interface and its buffer size setting PLUS the latency introduced by RadioDJ itself and its audio processing) but STILL monitor his/her own voice via headphones if and only if there is a "zero latency monitoring" system on the audio interface.

Frankly, I make this point, because the "latency" issue seems to appear to someone not knowledgeable enough, as a "problem" of RadioDJ when it really isnt - if you can think through your monitoring chain and you do have a semi-professional audio interface then it is "unfair" for the software (rasioDJ)  to say it is unuseable due to latency - there is NO software with zero latency.

 ;)
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Sindbadradio on December 24, 2014, 04:26:06 PM
Hello,
Could you give more explanations about the functionality of the "monitor" connection between the mixer and the sound card. Is it necessary or not? Where in the mixer I have to connect the Rear out if I don't have the '2 tracks' ?
Happy holidays.
SR
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: paulheu on June 24, 2015, 09:30:46 PM
Hi there!

New to RadioDJ but not to audio..

One of the first things I looked for when checking RadioDJ was where to plug in the mic. I quickly found the explanation and I honestly do not understand why this would be such an issue.

There is two things which play here


The argument might have been true for Windows XP or Vista, but 7 and 8 for sure offer some serious improvement there.

Windows 10 offers significant improvements in internal audio latency as well as extremely easy coding to implement both a mic input as well as processing of the signal. Besides that, if I can record multiple live channels while I playback others with minimal latency on my system why should it be hard to have 1 live channel added to a stereo playback channel.

Besides all this, It's done by quite a few of other Broadcasting tools. Currently using VirtualDJ but even while it's far more polished and smooth as a program, RadioDJ would suit me better for broadcast..


Thanks..
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: djclewes on July 01, 2015, 02:50:50 AM
i thought adding a mic input feature was not up for discussion on here due to me adding a topic about adding a mic feature then it getting locked after just 3 replies. it is the only thing that lets radiodj down. all good and well for people who can afford a mixer but for those who want it as a hobby in there bedroom without the expense it is a no go option and other software needs to be looked into.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on July 01, 2015, 11:55:37 AM
i thought adding a mic input feature was not up for discussion on here due to me adding a topic about adding a mic feature then it getting locked after just 3 replies. it is the only thing that lets radiodj down. all good and well for people who can afford a mixer but for those who want it as a hobby in there bedroom without the expense it is a no go option and other software needs to be looked into.

A mixer shouldn't have to cost you a lot you can pick them up for around £60-90
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: djclewes on July 01, 2015, 12:45:06 PM
£60 is a lot of money to anyone let alone 14-15 year old who want to take up radiodj as a hobby in there room. The people who do not like the idea do not have to use the feature but at least it would be there as a back up if there mixer goes faulty. i am sure the people would appriciate the mic feature then so they can do there show while waiting on a new mixer to arrive. last thing anyone wants is there mixer to start smoking half way through a show and then there show cancelled. great back up even for advanced stations to.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on July 01, 2015, 01:31:16 PM
I bought a mixer for £93 about 2/3 years ago and it's not burnt out on me yet (Citronic)

We've been over it a million times the reason there is no Microphone input in RDJ is because of latency issues. Anyone who's ever had issues with the VoiceFX in SAM broadcaster can stand testimony how bad latency issues can screw up a broadcast.

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£60 is a lot of money to anyone let alone 14-15 year old who want to take up radiodj as a hobby in there room.

If you can't afford 60-90 quid for a small mixer then you really need to find a hobby you can afford! Every hobby ends up costing you money eventually.... Not everything in life is FREE

Plus you'll end up sounding "Professional"
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: paulheu on July 01, 2015, 01:57:01 PM

The thing here is that it is not just a mixer, you need processing as well then. Processing in the box is much easier. It's really a matter of supporting ASIO to fix this and with RadioDJ using BASS anyway that should be trivial and add a lot of value to the program, probably enough to create a 'PRO' branch which could cost a little something.

There really is no valid argument to not support low latency mic input.

But I guess you can't really expect much from a free piece of software that probably works for those who develop it.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on July 01, 2015, 02:13:04 PM
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[But I guess you can't really expect much from a free piece of software that probably works for those who develop it.

RadioDJ in fairness is just an Automation program. Which works a lot better than "Other" software i've used in the past 13 or so years.

How you chose to wire up your studio after that is up to you.

RadioDJ is for automating the music with. :bash:

IF RadioDJ isn't doing what you want because there in no mic input there are other programs out there that do have that feature, go use one of them IF it matters to you that much.

Although they may end up costing you $$$
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: paulheu on July 01, 2015, 04:05:39 PM

Don't say I do not agree with you, I'm just spotting a missed opportunity here. No doubt plenty of people are happy the way things are. Me and I'm sure plenty of others will choose to not use RadioDJ for this very reason.

Not saying you should, or must, or anything like that. Just voicing my opinion..
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: FL Coast on July 01, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
£60 is a lot of money to anyone let alone 14-15 year old who want to take up radiodj as a hobby in there room. The people who do not like the idea do not have to use the feature but at least it would be there as a back up if there mixer goes faulty. i am sure the people would appriciate the mic feature then so they can do there show while waiting on a new mixer to arrive. last thing anyone wants is there mixer to start smoking half way through a show and then there show cancelled. great back up even for advanced stations to.

If you are serious about broadcasting, even as a hobby, a mixer is just another part of the package.  I have a mixer I have been using for over 15 years and it still functions as well today as it did when I bought it.  Besides, the mixer costs way less than the computer you are using.  If you can't afford a mixer now and you have a microphone, you can always record your talking segments in the Playlist Builder and add them into the playlist. It is up to you how serious you want to be with your hobby.   :) 

If RadioDJ can't do what you want, just DELETE it.  It has cost you nothing.   :hihi:

Just have FUN...  :cool:
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: djclewes on July 01, 2015, 05:10:33 PM
if you can not afford a mixer you should choose a new hobby?

not very fare all because a few radio dj members disagree over a silly mic input.


if it does not do what you want then uninstall it? 

so now people on the forum are recommending
that people who require a mic feature do not use radio dj. not very loyal to the software creator is it.
he spends all his time on the software and you go recommend people use some other software.

I just do not understand why people who do not want a mic feature just no install the module or just tick a
disable button once one was created and that way radio dj covers the software for everyone even if the mic
feature was part of the radio dj pro package once created or create a module and charge $5 for it.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on July 01, 2015, 05:18:40 PM
RadioDj is supplied "As Is" you are free to go and use another piece of software anytime you want. It's not being disloyal if you go and use something else.

So RadioDJ isn't for everyone but hey .... it's the only piece of software I will ever need for streaming with.

You don't seem to grasp the fact that sounding professional is what radio is all about and using a crappy mic plugged into the back of a PC will sound horrible in the first instance.

Hence why a Mixer is the one thing you need I get great results using my mixer and getting VAC to pick the sound up from the line in then transferring that audio to the encoding program.

If you want to sound cheap then sound cheap....
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on July 01, 2015, 05:29:01 PM
Just had a brilliant Idea..... Why don't you try and create a plugin for a Mic input.... Shouldn't be that hard surely.... Marius will point you to where the code for plugins is.

Or would that be something you don't think you could do?  :bash:
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: FL Coast on July 01, 2015, 06:10:57 PM
 djclewes,  You never now unless you ask, but when given an answer from the software creator, and you have no creative suggestions, you should just let it go.

Not going to argue this point any farther but I am sorry you can't understand and accept Marius' explanation at the top of the page.  If it is I that don't understand how software code is written, then again I am sorry.  If you develop the software to do what you are asking, then I will try it, because that MIC input would simplify equipment movement during a remote broadcast.

Happy Broadcasting     :)
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: paulheu on July 01, 2015, 06:15:54 PM
because that MIC input would simplify equipment movement during a remote broadcast.


So even when you actually see the benefit and would be willing to at least try an alternative to software you otherwise find to suit you just fine you still choose to basically ignore that exact feature "because the developer explains why it won't work"

All I am doing is asking why there can't be support for a low latency mic built in, from a code perspective there really is none and the tools used now actually offer the required code to implement this. It's actually very simple to do. With the way the code is now a separate module would really not make sense as the requires code in the main application is just not used.

Really the only thing needed here is ASIO support, obviously that will not help those with on board audio generally though. Alternatively support for the new code in Windows 10 would benefit all, but I somehow doubt that is in the cards.

Doing the microphone externally will run up cost to a point where buying a suitable tool which does support this functionality is a cheaper and more feasible option. Especially if you invested in a proper audio interface which then basically becomes pointless. Not to mention a control surface which actually is a much more elegant solution for this IMO.. Also useless if i need to buy an external mixer plus the needed processing hardware.

Outside of the Mic functionality RadioDJ does pretty much exactly what I need but since I have tools available to me which I know have active, listening and productive developers I'd rather take my chances with them and in fact there's something in the works which might become interesting at least.

So I guess that's it, love the program and would happily pay for it if I could have what I am looking for at some time in the near future. It has potential, but I guess it's not for me then.. signing off..
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Vanlen on July 01, 2015, 07:12:20 PM
There is a really cheap way you could get things to work for you is a virtual mixer and virtual cables with built in ASIO called voicemeeter Banana, yep it's a weird name for sure but you could plug your mic in select the input in the virutal mixer, put the output of RadioDJ on another virtual strip and then send the desired output to your streaming software and away you go.   It's donationware so give it a go.  I've tried it and works VERY WELL with RadioDJ to boot.  ;)

http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/banana.htm (http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/banana.htm)


Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: djclewes on July 02, 2015, 06:38:51 AM
sounds like Vanlen is half way to a solution.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: fabian on July 27, 2015, 05:51:59 PM
well for me i thought i could use the input to talk through until i get a mixer but since i cant then i will have to use it sparingly then or keep it on my computer until the mixer come, even though i have a high end usb mike on the way. Thats not the only problem i have with this piece of software, it has a horrible feedback to it. It comes only through my headset not on the air but i cant monitor what is playing at all. The sound i get in my headset is like a very badly scratch cd playing. Who knows how to fix that? Am not disrespecting the software or its manufacturers as it is quite good, but if you are building something as good as this is, trust me their are some very basic things that should be in it and the main one is to be ABLE to use a mike with it. thats just basic
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Marius on July 27, 2015, 06:23:35 PM
@fabian: i'm also not disrespecting you, but real radio talk is done with real mixers, not with programs. It's your decision at what level do you want to be in this business.

PS: Let's have a little test about windows inputs:

If you are using Windows Vista/7/8 go to Control Panel - Sound - Recording tab and double click your microphone. In Listen tab select "Listen to this device" and make sure that the mic level is high enough. Now speak something into the microphone to see the amount of delay you will have directly from windows, without any additional processing like compressor, equalizer etc.
Do you really think that is usable in a radio environment?
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: snarfdude on August 29, 2015, 04:08:11 AM
I've worked in many professional radio studios with different radio automation systems in my years in the industry, some costs 10s of 1000s of $$, and hell, before computer automation, I was plugging tape carts into a cart machine to play music.

One thing I can absolutely say, is that I have never and probably never change, is that a audio console/mixer will always be in the audio chain and an automation/playout system will be just that, and always come up on a pot (s) on the console/mixer.

This is common sense. most radio studios have multiple mics, and multiple sources even today. You have to put someone on the air from a phone hybrid, you need to run that through a console....a satellite feed, remote line via a IP codec, etc. all come up on a separate pot. No professional studio has just one mic and the automation system. multiple sources WITH the automation system goes through an audio console.

As I collect vintage radio studio gear, and have both a control room and production studio for my internet stream, I can play off vinyl, tape carts, and even reel to reel tapes to air to the stream. Like any pro studio, the automation system may run the station, but it loops through a console. This way, you can kill the automation system at any time and go live with CD/cart/reel tape or work with it and go live assist.

My on air console runs 24/7 is analog and is 45 years old and sounds great for it's age. It's cheaper then the new digital consoles that can run upwards of 15-30K being installed in studios these days which keeps audio digital in the ip audio domain, but it does the job well. I'm all about vintage.

I usually don't believe in software audio processing, as it can slow a computer if you are using real time. I use a basic compressor/limiter in the audio chain. I turn off anything radio DJ has built in for EQ/compression. There are too many "commerical wannabe's" on the net streaming and think sounding like a commerical station's overprocessed severely compressed (in some cases "brick walled") is a good thing. It's just terrible most of time. In a digital world, destroying dynamic range is terrible. Google if if you don't know what that is. You should.


Bottom line, a mic switch is useless for an radio automation system. It maybe useful if you are doing mobile DJ type stuff off an computer, but not in a radio studio. Buy a mixer, and use other sources too instead of just playing off the computer. 





 
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on August 29, 2015, 10:52:31 AM
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Bottom line, a mic switch is useless for an radio automation system. It maybe useful if you are doing mobile DJ type stuff off an computer, but not in a radio studio. Buy a mixer, and use other sources too instead of just playing off the computer. 

+1

Most of the "other" software choices i've tried that had microphone/voice input buttons I ended up with major latency issues even after wiring the Microphone through a mixer. Sometimes it sounded like I was in an echo chamber.

I don't seem to have that problem wiring my mixer into the Line In socket & getting Virtual Audio cables to pick the audio up from that and then getting the encoding software to listen on that line.

End result a professional sounding stream.  8)

P.S: it's been a while since i last used that method so I'm going to be interested if I can still do it on Windows 10.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: snarfdude on August 31, 2015, 02:17:41 AM


I don't seem to have that problem wiring my mixer into the Line In socket & getting Virtual Audio cables to pick the audio up from that and then getting the encoding software to listen on that line.

End result a professional sounding stream.  8)

professional sounding stream is probably not what I strive for...if you think commerical radio is "professional" there a lot of "squashing" of program audio with commerical FM, in an effort to keep it loud when you flip the dial, while keeping it within legal limits for modulation. Most of the time, it's an antiquated way of thinking, but you're stuck if the competition is doing it.

I see absolutely no need to do this online....but yet, you have wannabe's doing it. It's the digital era, keep it flat with a bit of limitation so you don't distort heavily or clip hard. simple.

I use 2 different encoders installed, but loop through my console and a behringer compressor/limiter to keep things in line in the chain. one of the behringers channels I use for my RE20 mic....again to keep things in line and to add just a slight amount of punch, though RE 20 does most of it. I'll be a bit more hissy then some, but a dose of analog can be easier on the ear then straight digital. radio DJ will be for automation/live assist ONLY! and a few months down the road for automation.....live assist for now.





Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Armandox on December 29, 2015, 05:03:50 AM
So I came here via DJ Garybaldy's website (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/free-program-like-sam-broadcaster/) on which he claims the following:

Someone recently did a search for “Free Program Like SAM Broadcaster” on this website.
It’s refreshing to see people searching for alternatives to SAM Broadcaster.

If you want a FREE program like SAM Broadcaster then you need RadioDJ free radio automation software.


But reading through this whole post and test-driving RadioDJ myself that just is not true. RadioDJ does not provide 'in-the-box' support for the usage of a microphone like SAM Broadcaster has been doing for years already. It also doesn't provide native ASIO-support (neither does SAM btw) which I think is a MUST for any self-respecting audio-software nowadays.

Alas, I didn't come here to nitpick, just pointing out a lot of biasedness afaic. I truly like RadioDJ and I'd love to use it if it'd have 'in-the-box' mic-support and ASIO-support. With ASIO latency is not an issue. I have no trouble recording realtime with Ableton Live 9 and my microphone. I DJ with Native Instruments Traktor DJ Studio like that. So I think we shouldn't be calling a tricycle a car here, or in other words, an automation-aid a full-fledged broadcasting software. Well, until then I see myself forced to stick with the (as Garybaldy on his website says) crash-prone SAM Broadcaster or Traktor.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on December 29, 2015, 11:28:15 AM
So I came here via DJ Garybaldy's website (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/free-program-like-sam-broadcaster/) on which he claims the following:

Someone recently did a search for “Free Program Like SAM Broadcaster” on this website.
It’s refreshing to see people searching for alternatives to SAM Broadcaster.

If you want a FREE program like SAM Broadcaster then you need RadioDJ free radio automation software.


But reading through this whole post and test-driving RadioDJ myself that just is not true. RadioDJ does not provide 'in-the-box' support for the usage of a microphone like SAM Broadcaster has been doing for years already. It also doesn't provide native ASIO-support (neither does SAM btw) which I think is a MUST for any self-respecting audio-software nowadays.

Alas, I didn't come here to nitpick, just pointing out a lot of biasedness afaic. I truly like RadioDJ and I'd love to use it if it'd have 'in-the-box' mic-support and ASIO-support. With ASIO latency is not an issue. I have no trouble recording realtime with Ableton Live 9 and my microphone. I DJ with Native Instruments Traktor DJ Studio like that. So I think we shouldn't be calling a tricycle a car here, or in other words, an automation-aid a full-fledged broadcasting software. Well, until then I see myself forced to stick with the (as Garybaldy on his website says) crash-prone SAM Broadcaster or Traktor.

To be fair to RadioDJ, RDJ is a studio automation program NOT a full studio solution. RadioDJ deals with the automation of music/jingles/promos etc... Which it does rather well without the program freezing or going wrong.

2 recent blog posts I've done on the subject tell you how you go about using a microphone with RadioDJ. Using a microphone plugged directly into the soundcard of a PC is just going to sound awful.

http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/microphone-input-in-radio-automation-software/ (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/microphone-input-in-radio-automation-software/)
http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/you-dont-need-built-in-voice-fx/ (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/you-dont-need-built-in-voice-fx/)

Stop expecting software to do everything for you!

Q: Would you expect RadioDJ to make you a cup of tea?
A: Of course you wouldn't...


The views about SAM Broadcaster being prone to crashing are "Personal opinion" which I'm entitled to!
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Armandox on December 29, 2015, 12:58:52 PM
2 recent blog posts I've done on the subject tell you how you go about using a microphone with RadioDJ. Using a microphone plugged directly into the soundcard of a PC is just going to sound awful.

http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/microphone-input-in-radio-automation-software/ (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/microphone-input-in-radio-automation-software/)
http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/you-dont-need-built-in-voice-fx/ (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/you-dont-need-built-in-voice-fx/)

The Voicemeeter Banana solution looks like a very viable one to me. Thanks for pointing that out. I do have an external mixer and all, but I just don't want to rewire my whole studio-setup (biased towards recording music) for a DJ-set and the desk my computer sits on is too small to house the screen, monitors, mixing-desk and midi-controllers all at the same time. I understand the issues with latency and such, I've been a recording engineer and record producer for the largest part of my life, so I know what we are talking about. Besides I'm using a large-diaphragm condenser mike, and not a cheapo headset or anything. In all fairness btw, SAM's Voice FX has never given me any trouble sending the mic straight to encoders (record to pipeline, skip audio output). Together with Hans van Zutphen's Stereo Tool it sounds more than professional enough to me (and believe me I'm picky and critical when it comes to soundquality). SAM only crashed on me 3 times in over 10 years of use. Anyhow, I didn't come here to talk about SAM, I came here because I like RadioDJ and I'd really love to work with it, moreso since it reminds me and looks very much like an automation-software we used at a terrestial radio-station I DJed at.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Armandox on December 29, 2015, 06:53:04 PM
Been fiddling around with Voicemeeter Banana and RadioDJ, plus BUTT (external streaming software) and I must say that I'm quite delighted with the first results! I can even use my MIDI-controller (which has faders and buttons and such) to control Voicemeeter via MIDI-mappings, which is even greater. The feel of faders under your fingers while it all is being processed 'in-the-box' is great. Voicemeeter supports ASIO (hallelujah!). I'm a BIG fan of working completely 'in-the-box' if you yet hadn't noticed ;-) No need to get an even larger desk, I can keep my setup as is without any rewiring, and have it work with my recording software, aswell as being able to DJ. Now I gotta fill this database with all the tons of songs I have, listen thru them all and set intro-points for each and every one of them, make sure the datatags are correct and so... Loads of sleepless nights ahead! :) And I already had so little sleep :P

With all this in mind I think I might be stepping over to RadioDJ pretty soon, because it runs very stable and uses little to no overhead on the computer. I wanna say thanks to Garybaldy for pointing me in the right direction and the fine resources one can find there. I read a lil more on his website, and it got me more than half-way in less than half a day!
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: bobby_olson2001 on April 28, 2016, 03:18:06 AM
I Have a sound mixer connected via usb and still have the same issue.... Echo and echo some more.... Any advise on how to mute when i hit input i saw it mentioned but i can't find the option RadioDj 1.8.2.0... Would be awesome!!  8)
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: theparty.fm on August 15, 2016, 03:16:12 AM
Wanted to say I LOVE THE INPUT button!!!  So I have my Radio DJ connected to a pc with 3 sound cards, route my audio to different channels in the mixer,  ie (Deck, Cue, Aux, Carts, etc)  Then I have my DJ mic and Guest Mic channels, then a channel for audio recording using adobe audition and audacity which my polycom speaker phone is connected to this sound card so I can record phone calls, interviews etc then air them out.   Last I have another PC with touch screen running DAC Free cartwall which is for station imaging. 

We just started using the INPUT button on live remotes.   We use Ring Central voip for a separate line which routes into voice meeter banana software and the app for ring central takes the audio coming back from the board into the phone so you can hear the live broadcast when you call in.  Ring Central auto answers the call then we have the INPUT button set to grab audio from the voice meeter software channel which is a virtual channel.   So what happens is we build a play list out program beds to talk over.  We then print out a cue sheet from radio DJ using the html export then take that with us, We watch what is playing and then remote vnc into the broadcast pc via a laptop, when the bed is about to play we call in the phone is auto answered, ready to go we hear live what is being played before it hits the stream,  we hit input say what we need into the phone then hit input again when we are done which mutes the phone  boom it airs out sounds really cool just like a live remote would.

I am trying to get the android remote apk working to control the input button that way but having issues thats next on the to do list.

Anyways to sum it up the INPUT button can do several things, its main purpose is to grab audio and fade down the main mix coming from radio dj.  It could be used for live remotes like im doing.

I STRONGLY recommend getting a mixer route your audio into then back out of into a good quality sound card like sound blaster then stream it that way.  Sounds good, and you have WAY more control over audio feeds. etc.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: cliffc on September 25, 2016, 01:59:47 PM
Hi

I would just like to say I am completely happy at this time using the input button to get the microphone on the air as I am just getting into the hobby and I don't want to spend to much cash at this time just incase I decide its not for me, and also I don't put my voice on air much anyway it works for me however that said if I decide this is for me I will invest in some more equipment in the future.

Cliff
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: tvo1iradio on January 04, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
Hi there!

New to RadioDJ but not to audio..

One of the first things I looked for when checking RadioDJ was where to plug in the mic. I quickly found the explanation and I honestly do not understand why this would be such an issue.

There is two things which play here

  • The solution using a separate mic input on a mixer would mean no processing on the mic unless I add it externally.
  • Having the mix signal available in the program would allow for much tighter integration. It would for instance allow a voice over compression of the music stream.

The argument might have been true for Windows XP or Vista, but 7 and 8 for sure offer some serious improvement there.

Windows 10 offers significant improvements in internal audio latency as well as extremely easy coding to implement both a mic input as well as processing of the signal. Besides that, if I can record multiple live channels while I playback others with minimal latency on my system why should it be hard to have 1 live channel added to a stereo playback channel.

Besides all this, It's done by quite a few of other Broadcasting tools. Currently using VirtualDJ but even while it's far more polished and smooth as a program, RadioDJ would suit me better for broadcast..


Thanks..

I truly agree with you. They should put the mic button back, for I have a professional studio within my house basement we are growing daily, I want to continue to use Radiodj, but one of the things that turn me away was not having that option of mic input. I have few ways of making it sound great, one of those ways is connecting my USB M -Audio interface I have now using with Sam Broadcast. So if there a way for us to ask for that mic button I would request it.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: DJ Garybaldy on January 05, 2017, 10:12:19 AM
I truly agree with you. They should put the mic button back, for I have a professional studio within my house basement we are growing daily, I want to continue to use Radiodj, but one of the things that turn me away was not having that option of mic input. I have few ways of making it sound great, one of those ways is connecting my USB M -Audio interface I have now using with Sam Broadcast. So if there a way for us to ask for that mic button I would request it.

You don't need a Microphone input in Radio automation software... As mentioned in several posts on this forum the Latency issues were just awful when it did have a button back in the days of 1.6.0.

You just need to think smarter! (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/voicemeeter-and-radiodj/)
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: luisce on March 31, 2017, 05:05:42 PM
Hi
I am not here to pour more petrol on the fire of the microphone issue, but yes, I agree that it would be a bonnus. My own case scenario is, I have a radio show that goes daily in a radio network from my country of origin and in most cases I made the show from my studio using RadioDj routed via a mixer etc etc. so far so good. However these days for personal and professional reasons a see myself forced to travel a lot and therefore I have three options. 1 pre-record the show, which means to put extra time on an already very busy schedulle. 2 use another software (I.E Radioboss) which allow me to made the microphone mixing without using a hardware mixer, and I have already done it with no bad results but... I miss Radiodj as it has been for years my tool of choice. 3, under trial right now, use the imput button with a mic attached to it and don't use headphones (lots of profs don't need the headphones) and this way forget about latency. But no doubt that when doing all by yourself (no another guy controling) the headphones are somehow needed to know that everything is going well.
So, yes, I am not here to bother marius aobut the microphone bit but... yeah.. it would be nice... or at least it would be nice to have ASIO support to minimise latency...
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: FreerunMedia on April 02, 2017, 06:30:23 PM
Some people need to know what "automation" means. Atomation means that the playlist, playout and switching to different sources are done automatically. So an "INPUT" can mean any input you want or need. A line "INPUT" is an input but a microphone is an "INPUT" too. Even a phone output can be used as an input to RadioDJ. Does it need to have that name too? No it still is and will be for ever an "INPUT".

Now for the people who need the microphone input on an automation system, try the following thing. Put your microphone in the mixer. Use an "INSERT"  and put in a delay of 1 to 2 seconds. Put your CD player directly to one of the channels and try to make a tight presentation over the intro of any track. You can't do this and allways be late. Anyone who wants to have no latency, you have to put more money into it to get that. Just to make it even more obvious, every professional radio station use any kind of mix board to do the show on. The automation isn't even within range of the DJ. They never push a "INPUT" button to get on air, that is done by the automation. In the studio there will be an assist version running of that automation, assisting the DJ to play tracks.

No latency on audio in? You need to buy stuff for that. Some of the requests for RadioDJ are allready made so if you want that, it is only costing $20.000 or euro's. With all the hardware you need. If Marius want to implement all this, he is getting in that same range of money and it won't be free anymore.

As for the last reply, Luisce is saying that the profs don't use the headphone. Now that is not how a pro does his show. He/she wants to hear everything and if the mic died on you, you won't hear that because the prof isn't using his ears. Started in 1997 with professional radio and tv, i never leave my home with my tools, my headphone. Never done a show without any. Never use Voicemeter in a real radiostudio too but that asside  :hihi:
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: neutralhills on May 28, 2017, 07:47:49 AM
I would just like to mention that we are successfully using the INPUT button to feed microphone audio into RadioDJ for our on-location broadcasts (e.g. hockey or football coverage), which generally consist of very simple setups:

http://support.radiohanna.ca/setting-up-a-radio-hanna-portable-system/ (http://support.radiohanna.ca/setting-up-a-radio-hanna-portable-system/)

1. Is there a bit of audio latency? Yes.
2. Is it a problem? Not at all.

Most of our DJs don't like to listen to themselves talk. Once we've had them do their pre-check (http://support.radiohanna.ca/doing-a-pre-check-in-radiodj-before-broadcasting/), they're good to go. The latency isn't a problem for us because of our current control pad setup...

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8277/29849000610_7d30b8357b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MtDVXy)

...automatically mutes the audio monitor be it headphones or room speakers whenever the INPUT is toggled on custom built control pad to open the mic. This way you don't hear your voice coming back with the split-second latency that many find distracting. And, because Marius has done such a wonderful job of engineering the audio processing, the audio quality from your microphone input is exceptional (so long as you're using good kit, that is - you get what you pay for).

Here is everything you need to build your own RDJ control pads:

http://support.radiohanna.ca/building-a-radiodj-usb-controller-pad/ (http://support.radiohanna.ca/building-a-radiodj-usb-controller-pad/)
http://support.radiohanna.ca/installing-the-autohotkey-script-for-a-radiodj-controller/ (http://support.radiohanna.ca/installing-the-autohotkey-script-for-a-radiodj-controller/)

If you are just starting out with online broadcasting and you are looking for a simple, but professional sounding setup, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using the INPUT feature in RDJ for your microphone so long as you are prepared for the audio latency issues in advance. They're only apparent to the DJ when listening to the local monitor, but it's not at all noticeable by your listeners. To them you just sound incredible.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: What does the INPUT button from RadioDJ?
Post by: Johnsterosa on February 15, 2018, 08:34:06 PM
Being that it is right beside the queue/playlist scroll bar - i tend to click on the "Input" button by accident, from time to time, which changes the sound being broadcast.
So, i personally, don't like where the button is located.