Ok I am stream with a laptop. I am pretty accurate with Radio DJ, However I have hit a dead spot. If I am stream with the laptop how can I edit and and mark intros without it playing in my stream? Until now I have been taking my station off line to make the edits and cue points. then My station experiences down time. Is there a better way? also once I save the cue points are they in mysql? If I had another computer using the same network can I then pick up those edits.
Randy K Riggs
In Options -> Soundcards you can tell RadioDJ on which card certain sounds have to be played. All sound will now be on one soundcard, including the monitoring (CUE) entry, and that's the one you have to redirect to a second card. Then all sound will be played normally to your stream, except for the monitor/cue audio, that will be on the second card.
If you have a laptop, you can get an USB audio stick/card/device, that works OK. However, be aware that some USB devices tend to get another name if they're plugged in another USB slot, and then you have to do the setup in RadioDJ again.
Get Voicemeeter Banana: http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/banana.htm (http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/banana.htm)
Stream to a virtual cable and listen anything you want on your speakers. ;)
Quote from: Filip83 on November 27, 2016, 02:40:04 PM
Get Voicemeeter Banana: http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/banana.htm
Stream to a virtual cable and listen anything you want on your speakers. ;)
Hey, Filip83. I use Banana; however, a learning curve is involved. Still far from figuring it out. I'm running into a similar predicament. I don't like the sound Voicemeeter offers. I want to listen to everything in second life through my system (Wave Maxx Audio) with the exception of cue. Couldn't I route all RDJ stuff, with the exception of cue, through an external sound card and route cue directly through my onboard card?
Well the stream should be constant, so you don't have to listen to it, but just stream on a virtual output.
For your personal listening you can set up the mixer to listen to whatever you want.
For example I use the B1 output for stream and A1 output is the output for my speakers. It is great once you understand how it works. Of course It's a bit more advanced if you are not familiar with mixer technology etc...
QuoteI don't like the sound Voicemeeter offers
What do you mean with this?
QuoteI want to listen to everything in second life through my system
I'm not sure I know what you mean. I'm still in my 1st life.
I need to understand your sources of sound and outputs (application). What is it that you want to do.
Ok, I know my config isn't set up correctly. I've managed to set it up in such a way where I can, in fact, hear the separation; that's to say, I'm listening to my stream through iTunes right now. I can also listen to cue through my speakers. But the sound is horrible (due to my inexperience with mixers).
Difficult to explain what I'm going for here.
I don't want to hear RDJ in real time through my speakers. I only want to hear music/sweeps/etc. in cue as I set cue points. I have but one sound card on this laptop.
Do I need banana for this? How can I hear my stream through iTunes or my website embedded player using my Realtek sound card?
Attached are images of my setup:
Thanks for getting back to me, by the way! This is driving me mad!
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Yes.
Don't use any of the dsp functions on Banana (compressor, eq, gate,...)
Set your main output in RDJ to use the Voicemeter AUX input for streaming. On the mixer (input) A1-3 and B 1-2 should be set off (all off). You use this input in the encoding software. If you use a virtual output in your encoding software (instead of the input) you will want to enable B 1 or 2 on the input.
Set all the other outputs in RDJ to use Voicemeter input. On the mixer (input) you want to enable A1
Set the output a1 on Banana to use your actual sound card output.
In windows set your default audio device as Voicemeter input.
Now you hear all windows sounds on output a1 (your actual soundcard) and you stream to a virtual separate independent channel.
Hope that makes sense. It was pretty straight forward for me. But it can get tricky pretty easily in some advanced setups.
The app is essentially a matrix. You have 3 hardware inputs and 2 virtual inputs. Each of these input channels can send the sound to any of the outputs by selecting (enabling) to what outputs you want the sound to go. A1-3 are the physical sound card outputs and the B1-2 are virtual cables that you can still use to send the sound to remote places.
If you have 1 sound card you can use for example A1 for your listening. Everything (input) you want to listen to you route to A1. Everything you want to stream you send to B1 or 2.
Very cool. Thanks for the detailed explanation, Filip83. Going to follow your instructions now.
Quote from: Filip83 on November 27, 2016, 09:36:41 PM
Yes.
Don't use any of the dsp functions on Banana (compressor, eq, gate,...)
Set your main output in RDJ to use the Voicemeter AUX input for streaming. On the mixer (input) A1-3 and B 1-2 should be set off (all off). You use this input in the encoding software. If you use a virtual output in your encoding software (instead of the input) you will want to enable B 1 or 2 on the input.
Set all the other outputs in RDJ to use Voicemeter input. On the mixer (input) you want to enable A1
Set the output a1 on Banana to use your actual sound card output.
In windows set your default audio device as Voicemeter input.
Now you hear all windows sounds on output a1 (your actual soundcard) and you stream to a virtual separate independent channel.
Hope that makes sense. It was pretty straight forward for me. But it can get tricky pretty easily in some advanced setups.
The app is essentially a matrix. You have 3 hardware inputs and 2 virtual inputs. Each of these input channels can send the sound to any of the outputs by selecting (enabling) to what outputs you want the sound to go. A1-3 are the physical sound card outputs and the B1-2 are virtual cables that you can still use to send the sound to remote places.
If you have 1 sound card you can use for example A1 for your listening. Everything (input) you want to listen to you route to A1. Everything you want to stream you send to B1 or 2.
After playing with this, I think I almost have it. I believe the bad sound is a combination of banana and onboard eq settings. If I could figure out how to run through banana without extra processing, I think I'll have what I need. Thoughts?
You actually don't bypass, you just set to "0". There should be no sound coloration. Is this "bad sound" coming from RDJ or is it also coming with other sources?
Try to disable routing to all channels on all channels and then just adding the things that you need. Tried to reinstall Banana in case you messed up something weird?
When you say awful do you mean loud / distorted, or flanged,...?
The sound is too bright, almost distorted. Very uneven. The sound isn't coming from RDJ. What I'm hearing isn't running through Waves Maxx Audio. That's what I'm shooting for.
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But this sound is only present when you run trough Banana?
If yes what inputs are being used and what outputs are they bing routed to?
I would probably disable all the Maxx bullshit probably.
have you seen some youtube videos?
Correct. Only through banana. But the thing is, if I run RDJ through my sound card, I can't adjust the volume (turn it down). For example, I used to use SAM. SAM had monitor volume, so I could turn it down as I would in a studio. Obviously, RDJ has many more bells and whistles and is a lot more stable. At any rate, if I could run RDJ through my sound card while still 'turning it down', and, listen to tracks in cue, I'd be all set. Wondering if an external sound card would be something that would work as a simpler solution.
Sounds very weird. I didn't have any such problems. You have the volume knob(s) right in Banana.
Did u try in banana: Menu > Restart audio engine?
Did you try a fresh install of banana?
Maybe you can have a look at the windows mixer / the soundboard settings / control panel.
Essentially you want all windows apps and the RDJ monitor output sent to "Voicemeter VAIO input" and to be sent to A1 out.
All your program outputs in RDJ (the stream outputs) sent to "Voicemeter VAIO AUX" (B2) and also set this in your encoding software. but not route this to A1.
Use the A1 output for your sound card.
Let me know if this works. If it does lets deal with the quality of sound separately.
Didn't try restarting the audio engine. I'll give that a whirl. The install of banana is the second. Everything is piped through the proper channels. Just not happy with what's coming out of my speakers (encoded audio). If I understand banana's eq, I might be able to clean it up.
You've taken a lot of time to help. Much appreciated!
Just double click on each eq band to reset its value to 0. Otherwise you can check some youtube videos still might find some info:
https://youtu.be/gXaQEMhO3sw (https://youtu.be/gXaQEMhO3sw)
https://youtu.be/JM7vVhJeduA (https://youtu.be/JM7vVhJeduA)
lmk how it goes, gl.
Why not just use the Virtual Audio Cable you already have installed?
With this installed it shows up and works just like any another soundcard in Windows as well as any other application that recognizes soundcards.
In RadioDJ you can set your sound cards to this cable and play it out to any device or multiple devices you want all at the same time. Set your broadcast software input to this cable to pickup the sounds from RadioDJ. There is nothing else to adjust. You should hear the sound exactly as it is being sent by RadioDJ.
You can then set the laptop speakers as your Monitoring (Cue) card.
I hope this helps and does not confuse the issue.
Good Luck
Quote from: Filip83 on November 27, 2016, 11:03:30 PM
Just double click on each eq band to reset its value to 0. Otherwise you can check some youtube videos still might find some info:
EQ set to zero. Will check out the videos. Thanks again for sticking with me!
Quote from: FL Coast on November 27, 2016, 11:38:00 PM
Why not just use the Virtual Audio Cable you already have installed?
With this installed it shows up and works just like any another soundcard in Windows as well as any other application that recognizes soundcards.
In RadioDJ you can set your sound cards to this cable and play it out to any device or multiple devices you want all at the same time. Set your broadcast software input to this cable to pickup the sounds from RadioDJ. There is nothing else to adjust. You should hear the sound exactly as it is being sent by RadioDJ.
You can then set the laptop speakers as your Monitoring (Cue) card.
I hope this helps and does not confuse the issue.
Good Luck
I've been curious about this approach since reading about it early on. Will give it a bang. Guess the only changes I would make where Windows is concerned is to set the VAC as default. Will let you know how this turns out. Much appreciated!
If sound is distorted check the audio input in Voicemeter. Also check the output settings of it. Than check the input settings in your stream program. Sounds wierd but this is what happens after you set 4 output levels and 3 main output level after each other.
I would sugest to do the simple thing. Run RadioDJ as main program with audio processing to the streamer. Everything else delete it. How to put your voice in the broadcast? There is a reason why a professional radiostation has a studio with a live assist setup. Take a second computer with RadioDJ, it is free so why not. Set it in live assist and connect it to your mixboard. The main out of the mixer to the line input of the RadioDJ automation and build some events to switch the live input on air.
This way you have a full working studio with normal mixing and no delay's. The only delay is at the automation and that one you only listen to a couple of seconds or not even that, just watch the "live" going on air. Even better, you still can make recordings and preps for your show without being on the stream. Yes you have to have a second computer but that one you can switch down when you are finished with your live broadcast, the same for the rest of the studio.
FreerunMedia: I had this running on a second machine at one time. Using it for more important things now. Yeah, I'm interested in a sweet sound; however, this is nothing more than a hobby. Spent over 20 years as a jock in commercial radio, not a single second as an engineer. So, I'm avoiding having to get too involved where the tech aspect is concerned. May purchase another machine in the future.
Filip83: Checked out the vids. Good stuff. Will review in full when time permits.
FL Coast: Used the VAC. Worked flawlessly with one exception: When I went to set a cue point, the pop up player wouldn't play. Back to Banana for now.
Thanks to all of you for offering your time/advice!
For info in my set up I use both Banana and a separate additional VAC that I also use as a hardware input in Banana. :)
Wish you gl, let us know how it goes.
Hope to grasp some of the info in the videos you provided. Still wondering if using an external card would be a simpler approach. As mentioned in a previous reply, I couldn't get the audio to play in cue when I used the VAC setup (without banana). Thoughts on a second card?
Thanks again!
An additional sound card is 100% redundant.
You can just use VAC indeed. But in this case do it like this: VAC for main output in RDJ. everything else on your sound card. in windows set default playback to your sound card.
Banana is like a Swiss army knife for audio. In the videos you can see what can it be used for. If you don't need such advanced functionality then the VAC is just fine to use.
Quote from: pfoole2012 on November 28, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
FL Coast: Used the VAC. Worked flawlessly with one exception: When I went to set a cue point, the pop up player wouldn't play. Back to Banana for now.
Set your Windows back to DEFAULT, which would be your laptop speakers. Then in RadioDJ put all of your settings to the VAC except the Monitoring/Cue and set it to default (See Below). Set your streamer to the VAC. You should hear your cue monitor on your laptop speakers without being heard on your stream.
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Cool. I'll give that a bang here after a few listeners drop off. Thanks again, folks. Your help is hugely appreciated!
Quote from: Filip83 on November 28, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
An additional sound card is 100% redundant.
You can just use VAC indeed. But in this case do it like this: VAC for main output in RDJ. everything else on your sound card. in windows set default playback to your sound card.
Banana is like a Swiss army knife for audio. In the videos you can see what can it be used for. If you don't need such advanced functionality then the VAC is just fine to use.
Just set it up using the VAC, Filip83. No go. I probably don't have the VAC configured. Reverted back to banana. How do I go about setting up the VAC so that I'm actually streaming through it?
Banana is = 2 x VAC on steroids
It is the same thing, but Banana has more functionality.
You need to set up the RDJ output to the virtual cable and then also set the Virtual cable in your encoding software. It is essentially the same as a sound card output... Only difference you can only use it virtually which is perfectly fine for streaming.
I feel like we said just about everything there is to say. If you are still having problems try todescribe the best way you can what the problem is.
See if this can help
https://youtu.be/LfbN4uAHWYE (https://youtu.be/LfbN4uAHWYE)
If you still have problems with Banana you can try Menu > Reset settings (Reinitialize)
gl
I think that's where I'm running into a problem - setting it up with my encoder. I'm using the onboard A******t plugin. Should I uninstall and reinstall? Or, maybe use a different encoder? I'm only a step away from getting this right.
You can write A******t there is no reason to hide it behind ***.
I think that is fine. I also used that for stream. I don't understand where the problem is.
Yep. Streaming now. Running through the VAC. Only thing is, I still can't hear stuff in cue. I have my laptop speakers as default. Almost afraid to monkey with RDJ's soundcard settings. I keep losing cue points when I do. Perhaps I should leave well enough alone.
Quote from: pfoole2012 on November 28, 2016, 10:22:42 PM
I think that's where I'm running into a problem - setting it up with my encoder. I'm using the onboard A******t plugin. Should I uninstall and reinstall? Or, maybe use a different encoder? I'm only a step away from getting this right.
Yeah, If you are using that encoder plugin you can not pull sound from another source. It will use the default. You will need a stand alone encoder (http://djgarybaldy.co.uk/stand-alone-encoding-software/)to pick up RadioDJ from the VAC and set Windows to the default sound card to hear the monitor/cue in the Edit mode.
QuoteAlmost afraid to monkey with RDJ's soundcard settings. I keep losing cue points when I do. Perhaps I should leave well enough alone.
That is strange. One should not be related to the other.
Using a stand alone encoder. Working beautifully. Can even hear stuff in cue. As it turns out, RDJ kept seeing banana, even after I had changed my settings and rebooted. Ended up behaving after I uninstalled Voicemeeter.
Thanks for hanging in there with me, guys.
Happy we were able to help, enjoy.
:cool: Glade you have things working the way you want.
You guys made my life a lot easier. Boiled down to reinstalling the VAC and following your instructions. Hugely appreciated!
Virtual cables are just awesome! :)
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